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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As our discussion comes to the end of its first week, I notice that the next discussion will be led by Susanna Harwood Rubin.  I look forward to that because I feel I was weakest here when trying to work out a position on her &quot;102 boulevard Haussmann.&quot;  But I hope some of my thoughts on it and other works got others into interesting thoughts about them.  I feel we scattered a number of starting ideas around but could use more!  And somebody to tie all we said somehow together.  Maybe I can myself--when I&#039;ve had a year or two to digest it all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As our discussion comes to the end of its first week, I notice that the next discussion will be led by Susanna Harwood Rubin.  I look forward to that because I feel I was weakest here when trying to work out a position on her &#8220;102 boulevard Haussmann.&#8221;  But I hope some of my thoughts on it and other works got others into interesting thoughts about them.  I feel we scattered a number of starting ideas around but could use more!  And somebody to tie all we said somehow together.  Maybe I can myself&#8211;when I&#8217;ve had a year or two to digest it all!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have one last specimen to bring into to this discussion of art combining the visual and the verbal,  John Waters’s “35 Days.”  The first question about it from me, the taxonomaniac, is: what is this... work?  We know that it is literally a photograph of index cards full of writing.  That doesn’t make it a work of visual art any more than xeroxing one of the cards would make the resulting copy a work of visual art (a “visimage,” in my aesthetics taxonomy, which I can’t neglect this chance to indicate).
But what about the fact that the texts on the cards are essentially “asemic”—i.e., without semantic content?  There is a tradition in visual poetry of crossing out or otherwise obliterating all of a text except a word or two (or even just a fragment of a word or two), the idea being to substantially increase the evocative power of the bit of text thereby cynosured.  One name for it is “cancellation poetry.”  A simple (poor) example would be the word, “sleep,” faintly visible on a page of otherwise unreadable text.  This group of index cards suggests something like that: 35 effaced days?  
Or, from a different angle completely, deceased text decomposing into a rather interestingly organic vacant lot?  A cycle of reality turning into text turning into reality.  Text, to return to my theme of the visual arguing with the verbal, conquering visual space only to be conquered itself?    Are the words prisoners of war?  More detailed wonderings become possible as one (acting as an archaeologist) considers the names, phone numbers and the like under the eradicating slashes.  
Something else to take into consideration: the process of creating such a work as an example of found art.
Certainly another aspect of the cards is that they are a third kind expressiveness, texturality.  They say, “We are real” against both the work’s textualities (its cancelled verbality and its barely remaining verbality)—a point strongly made by Billy Jacobs in his discussion of the work, albeit differently from me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one last specimen to bring into to this discussion of art combining the visual and the verbal,  John Waters’s “35 Days.”  The first question about it from me, the taxonomaniac, is: what is this&#8230; work?  We know that it is literally a photograph of index cards full of writing.  That doesn’t make it a work of visual art any more than xeroxing one of the cards would make the resulting copy a work of visual art (a “visimage,” in my aesthetics taxonomy, which I can’t neglect this chance to indicate).<br />
But what about the fact that the texts on the cards are essentially “asemic”—i.e., without semantic content?  There is a tradition in visual poetry of crossing out or otherwise obliterating all of a text except a word or two (or even just a fragment of a word or two), the idea being to substantially increase the evocative power of the bit of text thereby cynosured.  One name for it is “cancellation poetry.”  A simple (poor) example would be the word, “sleep,” faintly visible on a page of otherwise unreadable text.  This group of index cards suggests something like that: 35 effaced days?<br />
Or, from a different angle completely, deceased text decomposing into a rather interestingly organic vacant lot?  A cycle of reality turning into text turning into reality.  Text, to return to my theme of the visual arguing with the verbal, conquering visual space only to be conquered itself?    Are the words prisoners of war?  More detailed wonderings become possible as one (acting as an archaeologist) considers the names, phone numbers and the like under the eradicating slashes.<br />
Something else to take into consideration: the process of creating such a work as an example of found art.<br />
Certainly another aspect of the cards is that they are a third kind expressiveness, texturality.  They say, “We are real” against both the work’s textualities (its cancelled verbality and its barely remaining verbality)—a point strongly made by Billy Jacobs in his discussion of the work, albeit differently from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Time for another Official Daily Comment, this time bringing in two other works I want in our discussion, Alice  Aycock’s “Garden of the Scripts&quot; and Nancy Haynes&#039;s &quot;QR for WK by NH.&quot;  The first is, among other things, a map.  The other is actually a sort of entrance, but also seems to me a map.  

Question: are maps textual or visual?  They are visual, but only the way everything we see, including text, is visual.  Their main intent is to inform us, as words do, but they needn’t contain any words.  I tend to think they are a third kind of thing, a cartoceptual artifact.  Yes, this is an awkward synonym for “map,” but in my idiosyncratic understanding of the brain, which includes the idea that there is a major section of the brain devoted to telling us where we are physically—by use of maps it makes for us unconsciously to follow.  If I’m right, and it is in the “cartoceptual awareness,” as I call this section of the brain, that our main reading of maps like Aycock’s “Garden of the Scripts,” then our experience of her map is importantly plurexpressive in a different way from a mixture of the textual and the graphic that Cy Twombly’s 1971 “Untitled” is, for example.  Is that important?  You got me.  I never thought about it before I began writing the above, not having thought much about maps as art.

I do believe Aycock&#039;s mapping seems to put us somehow aphysically in her garden, immersed in a knowing where one is without actually being there, if that makes any kind of sense.

Needless to say, text dramatically argues its way into the scene with so much text on display.  So does the graphic due to so much of the map’s being pictures of the location’s physical details, some in 3-D, rather than a 2-D outline as a rigorously “professional” map would be.  Surely we have a three-way argument going on among the visual, the unlike conceptualities of words and mapping.

Turning to Nancy Haynes’s drawing, &quot;QR for WK by NH,&quot; it seems to me that most people encountering it for the first time (in a museum devoted to visual art), without any special pre-knowledge about it or the QR code it technically is, would mostly likely think,  “Labyrinth.”  A picture, or map, of a labyrinth, but textless.   Which brings us to my main question: how does a work&#039;s seeming a map contribute to it as a work of art?  Relatedly, what exactly does it contribute?  In any argument between a work&#039;s textual and graphic content, which side is it on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for another Official Daily Comment, this time bringing in two other works I want in our discussion, Alice  Aycock’s “Garden of the Scripts&#8221; and Nancy Haynes&#8217;s &#8220;QR for WK by NH.&#8221;  The first is, among other things, a map.  The other is actually a sort of entrance, but also seems to me a map.  </p>
<p>Question: are maps textual or visual?  They are visual, but only the way everything we see, including text, is visual.  Their main intent is to inform us, as words do, but they needn’t contain any words.  I tend to think they are a third kind of thing, a cartoceptual artifact.  Yes, this is an awkward synonym for “map,” but in my idiosyncratic understanding of the brain, which includes the idea that there is a major section of the brain devoted to telling us where we are physically—by use of maps it makes for us unconsciously to follow.  If I’m right, and it is in the “cartoceptual awareness,” as I call this section of the brain, that our main reading of maps like Aycock’s “Garden of the Scripts,” then our experience of her map is importantly plurexpressive in a different way from a mixture of the textual and the graphic that Cy Twombly’s 1971 “Untitled” is, for example.  Is that important?  You got me.  I never thought about it before I began writing the above, not having thought much about maps as art.</p>
<p>I do believe Aycock&#8217;s mapping seems to put us somehow aphysically in her garden, immersed in a knowing where one is without actually being there, if that makes any kind of sense.</p>
<p>Needless to say, text dramatically argues its way into the scene with so much text on display.  So does the graphic due to so much of the map’s being pictures of the location’s physical details, some in 3-D, rather than a 2-D outline as a rigorously “professional” map would be.  Surely we have a three-way argument going on among the visual, the unlike conceptualities of words and mapping.</p>
<p>Turning to Nancy Haynes’s drawing, &#8220;QR for WK by NH,&#8221; it seems to me that most people encountering it for the first time (in a museum devoted to visual art), without any special pre-knowledge about it or the QR code it technically is, would mostly likely think,  “Labyrinth.”  A picture, or map, of a labyrinth, but textless.   Which brings us to my main question: how does a work&#8217;s seeming a map contribute to it as a work of art?  Relatedly, what exactly does it contribute?  In any argument between a work&#8217;s textual and graphic content, which side is it on?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For my Official Daily Comment just a few words to make sure we don&#039;t overlook color (although Nathan has already brought it up once).   I see only one besides black (and shades of black): orange;  but for me the grays turn blue, briefly, here and there, and I detect flickers of green (the after-image of the orange?).  Be that as it may, a few new questions occur to me: what should we make, if anything, of the complete loss of color of everything in the image that is clearly textual?  What is the meaning of the orange?  What is it doing aesthetically for the work?  It is pretty, isn’t it!

What meaning can be derived from its position as the underlayer of the work?  A sub-sub wholly sensual animal consciousness from which a human sub-conscious containing symbols has slid over, or emerged from?  Or has it snuck under someone&#039;s dying reason?

Is it the beginning of a fire, or the end of one?  

What else might it be?

Note: I&#039;m no authority, even week-end authority, on Twombly&#039;s work--which is to say I know it mostly from magazines like ARTnews, and websites like the one we&#039;re participating in now--and as the basis of more than a few visual poems by friends of mine.  So I&#039;d REALLY appreciate it if a few Twombly experts would chip in a few thoughts about his work to the discussion.  

Meanwhile, anyone interested in visual poetry might take a look at Irving Weiss&#039;s &quot;Gloss Twombly&quot; at http://poeticks.com/2012/10/18/entry-895.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my Official Daily Comment just a few words to make sure we don&#8217;t overlook color (although Nathan has already brought it up once).   I see only one besides black (and shades of black): orange;  but for me the grays turn blue, briefly, here and there, and I detect flickers of green (the after-image of the orange?).  Be that as it may, a few new questions occur to me: what should we make, if anything, of the complete loss of color of everything in the image that is clearly textual?  What is the meaning of the orange?  What is it doing aesthetically for the work?  It is pretty, isn’t it!</p>
<p>What meaning can be derived from its position as the underlayer of the work?  A sub-sub wholly sensual animal consciousness from which a human sub-conscious containing symbols has slid over, or emerged from?  Or has it snuck under someone&#8217;s dying reason?</p>
<p>Is it the beginning of a fire, or the end of one?  </p>
<p>What else might it be?</p>
<p>Note: I&#8217;m no authority, even week-end authority, on Twombly&#8217;s work&#8211;which is to say I know it mostly from magazines like ARTnews, and websites like the one we&#8217;re participating in now&#8211;and as the basis of more than a few visual poems by friends of mine.  So I&#8217;d REALLY appreciate it if a few Twombly experts would chip in a few thoughts about his work to the discussion.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, anyone interested in visual poetry might take a look at Irving Weiss&#8217;s &#8220;Gloss Twombly&#8221; at <a href="http://poeticks.com/2012/10/18/entry-895" rel="nofollow">http://poeticks.com/2012/10/18/entry-895</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m getting a lot out of it, too, Nathan--thanks for being such a big part of the discussion!  But you caught me on the work by Susanna Harwood Rubin.  I was sure I&#039;d written at least a few notes about it, but can&#039;t find them.  I guess I wrote them all in my head.  I&#039;ll try for a few thoughts, anyway.

To start with, the background is that the piece&#039;s name is &quot;102 boulevard Haussmann ,&quot; which was where Marcel Proust mainly lived in Paris.  It consists of simply the address, &quot;Emerging from the scores of vertical graphite striations lining the surface of this drawing,&quot; Dayle Wood tells us in his excellent short piece on the work in the catalogue (where you can also hear the artist say a few words about it. It is part of a series of similar drawings by Harwood Rubin, each representing, she tells us, &quot;a residence or significant place-name from Proust’s book.&quot;

I remember, without my notes, that I particularly wanted to bring up this piece because of the ways it contrasts with Twombly&#039;s.  For instance, Twombly&#039;s markings scramble over the surface of his rectangle, they come ONTO it; Harwood Rubin&#039;s come UP FROM it.  Ironically, Twombly&#039;s suggests a meadow while Rubin&#039;s is entirely urban.  The Harwood Rubin is far the quieter of the two--the slower, as well.  But its bit of text entirely conquers the setting it emerges into, at least on the surface, since the address is about all that is visible.  The work is entirely about it.

Once we know from outside the work (as we need to) that the address was Proust&#039;s, and find out--if we don&#039;t already know--how famous he was as a modernist novelist of memories, and that he&#039;s long been dead, we realize that the background is not so small a part of the work, after all.  It is, in fact, what makes it a visual poem about not just an author&#039;s residence but a past turned to granite, but tagged with an address making it a permanent memory of a world real people like Proust lived in AND the second peopled world Proust made of that in his multi-volumed novel.

I feel I&#039;ve only started--clumsily--to try to show you how I think Susanna Harwood Rubin&#039;s work fits into my argument between textuality and visuality, Nathan.  I hope we can get others to help me out, &#039;cause I&#039;m worn out!  Any Proust fans out there?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting a lot out of it, too, Nathan&#8211;thanks for being such a big part of the discussion!  But you caught me on the work by Susanna Harwood Rubin.  I was sure I&#8217;d written at least a few notes about it, but can&#8217;t find them.  I guess I wrote them all in my head.  I&#8217;ll try for a few thoughts, anyway.</p>
<p>To start with, the background is that the piece&#8217;s name is &#8220;102 boulevard Haussmann ,&#8221; which was where Marcel Proust mainly lived in Paris.  It consists of simply the address, &#8220;Emerging from the scores of vertical graphite striations lining the surface of this drawing,&#8221; Dayle Wood tells us in his excellent short piece on the work in the catalogue (where you can also hear the artist say a few words about it. It is part of a series of similar drawings by Harwood Rubin, each representing, she tells us, &#8220;a residence or significant place-name from Proust’s book.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember, without my notes, that I particularly wanted to bring up this piece because of the ways it contrasts with Twombly&#8217;s.  For instance, Twombly&#8217;s markings scramble over the surface of his rectangle, they come ONTO it; Harwood Rubin&#8217;s come UP FROM it.  Ironically, Twombly&#8217;s suggests a meadow while Rubin&#8217;s is entirely urban.  The Harwood Rubin is far the quieter of the two&#8211;the slower, as well.  But its bit of text entirely conquers the setting it emerges into, at least on the surface, since the address is about all that is visible.  The work is entirely about it.</p>
<p>Once we know from outside the work (as we need to) that the address was Proust&#8217;s, and find out&#8211;if we don&#8217;t already know&#8211;how famous he was as a modernist novelist of memories, and that he&#8217;s long been dead, we realize that the background is not so small a part of the work, after all.  It is, in fact, what makes it a visual poem about not just an author&#8217;s residence but a past turned to granite, but tagged with an address making it a permanent memory of a world real people like Proust lived in AND the second peopled world Proust made of that in his multi-volumed novel.</p>
<p>I feel I&#8217;ve only started&#8211;clumsily&#8211;to try to show you how I think Susanna Harwood Rubin&#8217;s work fits into my argument between textuality and visuality, Nathan.  I hope we can get others to help me out, &#8217;cause I&#8217;m worn out!  Any Proust fans out there?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ As for the game being played, and whose winning, Nathan, my Official Daily Post for today gets into that a little bit--I hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> As for the game being played, and whose winning, Nathan, my Official Daily Post for today gets into that a little bit&#8211;I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I may be getting too involved in Twombly&#039;s work to think very clearly about it, anymore, assuming it was earlier.  Nonetheless, here&#039;s my Official Daily Thought:

 The question that will occur to some is what’s the point of dividing Twombly’s work into various kinds of textuality (and I have often been accused of carrying taxonomy to ridiculous lengths).  Well, first of all, in a work of visual art, textuality in general  will automatically “argue” with the work’s visual elements.  Indeed, it may be that it argues with them so forcefully and successfully that the work isn’t even really a visual work!  Look at Twombly’s “Untitled” without taking it for granted that it’s visual art.  What in it besides the negative space any work of any kind of art on a page (or screen) will have is not textual, or seeming to be trying to be that?  I think awareness of the work’s textuality primes us better to see and value what’s visual in it.

Moreover, the argument of the two or more elements, if aesthetically successful, will seem exciting to those not used to it in paintings or drawings, whether happily or threateningly exciting.  I take it for granted that the two kinds of expressive modalities (if both prominent in a piece) will cause a viewer to experience their interaction (their argument!) in two significantly different places in his brain at the same time—significantly different because usually not activated together by an artwork.  The viewer will suddenly SEE the visual elements from somewhere in his reading mind, and “READ” them from somewhere in his visual mind.  In other words, he will experience two significantly different slants of it.  

Eventually, the viewer will, it is hoped, become comfortable with experiencing a work of art in two of more significantly different parts of brain, but still find the experience fresh  because while the activation of the two or more general parts of brain involved will be no longer be novel, the activation of the specific parts activated will be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may be getting too involved in Twombly&#8217;s work to think very clearly about it, anymore, assuming it was earlier.  Nonetheless, here&#8217;s my Official Daily Thought:</p>
<p> The question that will occur to some is what’s the point of dividing Twombly’s work into various kinds of textuality (and I have often been accused of carrying taxonomy to ridiculous lengths).  Well, first of all, in a work of visual art, textuality in general  will automatically “argue” with the work’s visual elements.  Indeed, it may be that it argues with them so forcefully and successfully that the work isn’t even really a visual work!  Look at Twombly’s “Untitled” without taking it for granted that it’s visual art.  What in it besides the negative space any work of any kind of art on a page (or screen) will have is not textual, or seeming to be trying to be that?  I think awareness of the work’s textuality primes us better to see and value what’s visual in it.</p>
<p>Moreover, the argument of the two or more elements, if aesthetically successful, will seem exciting to those not used to it in paintings or drawings, whether happily or threateningly exciting.  I take it for granted that the two kinds of expressive modalities (if both prominent in a piece) will cause a viewer to experience their interaction (their argument!) in two significantly different places in his brain at the same time—significantly different because usually not activated together by an artwork.  The viewer will suddenly SEE the visual elements from somewhere in his reading mind, and “READ” them from somewhere in his visual mind.  In other words, he will experience two significantly different slants of it.  </p>
<p>Eventually, the viewer will, it is hoped, become comfortable with experiencing a work of art in two of more significantly different parts of brain, but still find the experience fresh  because while the activation of the two or more general parts of brain involved will be no longer be novel, the activation of the specific parts activated will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Kjgtt&quot; is text that&#039;s asemic, or without semantic content.  (&quot;Asemic&quot; is a term that&#039;s caught on among a group of visual poets; I don&#039;t know how certified it is.)  Printed, &quot;kjgtt&quot; consists of five pieces of font which I claim are entirely visual, but with connotations of &quot;language-ness.&quot;  I believe a viewer will take them all the way into the visual part of his brain, but only into a waiting-room in the verbal part of his brains.  So, a visual experience with hints of verbality rather than an experience part visual and part verbal.

But I see I may not be thinking of &quot;font&quot; the way you are.  In fact, I think I should consider it a visual aspect of any letter it is used for.  Hence, for me, it would always be entirely visual.  The letters of &quot;kjgtt&quot; are the same letters regardless of their font, and they are simply text for me regardless of font because they don&#039;t spell any word.  Whether a letter is verbal or not depends on whether it is in a word or not.  A font will never be verbal, only something associated with the verbal.  

Have I made any sense yet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kjgtt&#8221; is text that&#8217;s asemic, or without semantic content.  (&#8220;Asemic&#8221; is a term that&#8217;s caught on among a group of visual poets; I don&#8217;t know how certified it is.)  Printed, &#8220;kjgtt&#8221; consists of five pieces of font which I claim are entirely visual, but with connotations of &#8220;language-ness.&#8221;  I believe a viewer will take them all the way into the visual part of his brain, but only into a waiting-room in the verbal part of his brains.  So, a visual experience with hints of verbality rather than an experience part visual and part verbal.</p>
<p>But I see I may not be thinking of &#8220;font&#8221; the way you are.  In fact, I think I should consider it a visual aspect of any letter it is used for.  Hence, for me, it would always be entirely visual.  The letters of &#8220;kjgtt&#8221; are the same letters regardless of their font, and they are simply text for me regardless of font because they don&#8217;t spell any word.  Whether a letter is verbal or not depends on whether it is in a word or not.  A font will never be verbal, only something associated with the verbal.  </p>
<p>Have I made any sense yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Langston</title>
		<link>https://391.b00.mywebsitetransfer.com/discussion-bob-grumman/#comment-3088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Langston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alrighty Bob! You certainly saw more on the &quot;textual&quot; side of Twombly&#039;s work than I did (and THANK YOU for that!). But your topic concerns &quot;an argument&quot; or &quot;a game&quot; that is playing out between visual and textual elements. How does that play out? Which side is &quot;winning?&quot; Also: You brought up this work by Susanna Harwood Rubin. How does that fit into things?

PS: This has been a VERY enlightening discussion for me and it&#039;s only Tuesday!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alrighty Bob! You certainly saw more on the &#8220;textual&#8221; side of Twombly&#8217;s work than I did (and THANK YOU for that!). But your topic concerns &#8220;an argument&#8221; or &#8220;a game&#8221; that is playing out between visual and textual elements. How does that play out? Which side is &#8220;winning?&#8221; Also: You brought up this work by Susanna Harwood Rubin. How does that fit into things?</p>
<p>PS: This has been a VERY enlightening discussion for me and it&#8217;s only Tuesday!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Grumman</title>
		<link>https://391.b00.mywebsitetransfer.com/discussion-bob-grumman/#comment-3087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Grumman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, Nathan, I looked at &quot;Dear Cy,&quot; and read it as &quot;View Cy!&quot;  Yes, it is fun, and I love Elizabeth&#039;s (or should it be &quot;N. Elizabeth&#039;s?) idea of reading a drawing as a score.  I think a chief good thing about artists I consider &quot;plurexpressive&quot; like Twombly is the mulitplicity of meanings they can get us to find in their works.  By the way, I meant to mention that I did find a scribble that looks like a common musical note to the left--a &quot;c,&quot; yes?  And there&#039;s a &quot;C&quot; to the far left to give the beat! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Nathan, I looked at &#8220;Dear Cy,&#8221; and read it as &#8220;View Cy!&#8221;  Yes, it is fun, and I love Elizabeth&#8217;s (or should it be &#8220;N. Elizabeth&#8217;s?) idea of reading a drawing as a score.  I think a chief good thing about artists I consider &#8220;plurexpressive&#8221; like Twombly is the mulitplicity of meanings they can get us to find in their works.  By the way, I meant to mention that I did find a scribble that looks like a common musical note to the left&#8211;a &#8220;c,&#8221; yes?  And there&#8217;s a &#8220;C&#8221; to the far left to give the beat! </p>
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